Sunday, June 29, 2025

Rammstein - Deutschland: Bitter Socialist Tea

 A Dark View Of... Darkness


I've seen some reviews of this video, and many interpretations are extremely helpful in understanding the meaning. There is never just one way to view a work of art.

The critiques I saw, though, were missing points that might help viewers develop insight into what is actually being portrayed. Many "missed the forest for the trees." I view the video as a broad-brush interpretation of German history and its underlying ethos, flaws, and promise, Getting too bogged down in details obscures the power of the message.

Regarding the title, the members of Rammstein freely admit to being socialists. As their lead singer has said, "We come from the East and we have grown up as socialists." So, there is nothing pejorative about it, they want to be known as socialists, and so shall they be.

So, here's another review, for what it's worth. I'm fully prepared for the standard "You understand nothing about anything" sorts of comments, so feel free to post below any reaction you have to this, additional thoughts or criticism or whatever.

It's a great, thought-provoking video, and clearly a lot of thought went into its structure and construction. This review may help you organize your own thoughts about this powerful video and come to your own, better conclusions.

Part 1: The Past Meets The Future

The introductory section sets the tone for the rest of the video and establishes themes that will be developed further through vignettes related to German history.

We see a ragtag band of soldiers stumbling upon a gory sight: a bright red laser beam into the heavens, a tree with corpses hanging from it, creepy statues bathed in red light, a woman under a tree. The only title of the video appears: Germania Magna 16 A.D.

This title indicates this is seen from the perspective of the approaching soldiers, who we can safely assume are Roman based on their dress and the title's use of the Latin name for what would become known as Germany/Deutschland.

Some reviewers waste a lot of time trying to identify this as a specific event, such as the Battle of the Teutoborg Forest of 9 A.D. Since we've just been told it's seven years later, that obviously wasn't the intent here. This is just a random encounter of an empire representing the past and a nascent, mysterious global power.

But what kind of encounter? Everything in this video, as we'll see, is highly symbolic and not to be taken literally. So move out from among the trees and let's look at the forest: this is an encounter between civilizations. But it's more than that. It is the passing of the torch from antiquity to modern times.

Now, anyone who knows much about ancient history understands that antiquity is considered to have continued for centuries after this first scene. But the point is that the future is being born in Germany, it represents the dawn of a new age. This video is an examination of what underlies the advances of modern times.

The woman they encounter happens to be black. There are many attempts to explain why this choice was made, often along PC lines such as "they're showing anyone of any background can be German." That's not necessarily wrong. My interpretation is that she is different from everyone else in the video in that sense for a purpose: to show that Germany is different. It is certainly different than Rome, and the point is made throughout that Germany has unique issues and aspirations.

The main colors used are red, gold, and black. This is often interpreted as a reference to the later German flag, which of course is true. However, the dominant color by far is bright red. This is the color most associated with hell. To further the point, the grim native statues shown are bathed in red light. It's pretty clear that the intent is to show them as representing sinister forces.

But there's a double meaning to the red laser beam. The German expression "roter Faden" translates to "red thread." It is an idiom referring to the guiding principle or guideline of a story. So, when this beam first appears is when the video's message is established.

The woman is cutting up a corpse to sever the head. As we will see throughout the video, she represents Germany.

The soldiers are worn and battered - like the civilization they represent. The woman is young and fresh, and as she turns we see the video name - Deutschland - showing she represents the new German identity. The soldiers are horrified at what they see, showing a normal reaction, and immediately attack this dark force, but we know they ultimately will be defeated. Rome stood no chance against the powerful new forces at play.

Part 2: The Future Realized

The scene next shifts to men advancing in spacesuits on a space station. Rammstein is known for their cynical view of the space program - see their video Amerika - and that continues here. The dramatic shift in time hammers home the point that the encounter with the woman in the forest leads directly to the future - or now. It's certainly not lost on Rammstein, I'm sure, that the U.S. space program was largely built by Germans fleeing the aftermath of World War II.

They're carrying something we can't really make out - but we'll find out what it is at the end. An image of a medieval figure brandishing a cross appears, suggesting that the pagan gods shown in the first scene have just been replaced with new excuses for evil.

The scene quickly shifts to the same lady we saw before - Germany - being pushed by a group of men in a wheelchair between biers containing flaming skeletons. Obviously, the same impulses that controlled her during the earlier encounter are still present. This is amplified by the same demonic red light shining upwards behind the group. However, and while she's old and feeble now, with her time running out, she's still carrying the severed head.

Part 3: Vignettes Of Brutality And Horror From German History

By this point, the main themes have been efficiently established, and it's the "proof" section. That is, we're going to see how the demonic forces infusing the future as represented by the encounter in the forest manifested over the years. The woman is always shown enjoying the savagery and encouraging and enabling it.

There's a savage brawl in ca. 1900, with the men using brass knuckles - the woman helpfully provides them. Others bet on the winner. Obviously, the fighting men are oppressed by the system into hurting each other for sustenance as a sport for the other, presumably more well-heeled, bettors.

The woman is shown in medieval armor, laughing in a dark battlefield full of fallen knights. Faceless men are killing one another, all bathed in the demonic light.

A group of well-dressed men is seen walking away indifferently as the Hindenburg explodes and burns behind them. They couldn't care less, they have made their profit from the construction, the destruction is not their concern.

It is only now that the lyrics begin. "Du hast viel geweint" - "You have cried many times" - hammers home that there has been a lot of pain since that encounter in the forest.

A scene of relatively modern (mid-20th Century) military men on one side and well-off civilians on the other appears, attending to a seated boss in between. This presumably refers to communist oppression in the East, showing that one set of bosses representing an economic system that purports to promote "equality" is no better than the others. The problem lies much deeper and is inherent to Germany, as underscored by the presence of the woman in the background.

Additional scenes then appear from different points in German history that continue to make the same point of oppressors victimizing the people. Medieval monks feast on the body of Germany, with people crying out for freedom and literally boxed in underneath the table.

A scene in a prison apparently is from the 1920s - money is thrown about like confetti to represent hyperinflation - as common men are brutalized by uniformed prison guards.

The scene in the 1920s car may represent Hitler - who famously like to sit in the shotgun seat while being driven - as lead singer Till Lindemann is sporting a bit of a mustache. However, the parallels can't be made too directly because there are limitations on what can be shown about that era due to German law, so you must make the associations yourself.

This is reinforced by the next scene - a concentration camp with V-2 rockets built by slave labor. It is here that Lindemann, dressed as a concentration camp inmate, turns pointedly to the camera and finally, emphatically says "Deutschland, Deutschland über alles," We don't need any translation of that, it's clear by this point where German imperialism has led. There are scenes of brutality by the guards and against them, with the implication that it is the brutality that is the point, not who commits it or what the reasons are.

The next scene is a confrontation with the Baader-Meinhof gang of the 1970s. Once again, we can't get bogged down in details. The point is the terrorism of the 1970s as a reflection of the inherent violent German way to confront problems.

The remainder of this section of the video basically amplifies on the vignettes already established, such as showing Brownshirts burning books and the like. A monk hugs a Nazi soldier, suggesting complicity between church and state.

Ending

There are scenes of the woman representing Germany, given a bright halo, giving birth to multiple dogs, who are then swathed in red. How you interpret this will depend on what you've gotten from the previous images in the video, but to me it represents the good intentions of Germany giving spawn to the hounds of hell.

The ending scene shows the mysterious object being carried by the space-suited men on the station floating in orbit, with the red beam of Germany rising from the earth. Again, this is subject to multiple interpretations, so here's mine: the object is a coffin, and Germany - here in the broadest sense of modern society - is on the verge of spreading its violence and brutality into the cosmos unless it's stopped. The modern ethos, with its destructive and brutal impulse is no longer confined to just the earthly realm. It's not so much an indictment of one nation as it is the wrong turn society made so many years ago.

In conclusion, this was meant to be thought-provoking, not definitive. I hope it made you think about the message of the video. Feel free to leave your own interpretations in the comments below.








Sunday, February 5, 2023

Sherman Oaks Then And Now Ca. 1950

A Random Drive Through Sherman Oaks In The 1940s

Most of my articles are about New York City because it is beautifully documented and full of history, much of which survives to this day. It is fun to reflect on the Big Apple and its ever-present past.

But today we switch things up and go to my second-favorite locale, Los Angeles and its environs. Let's take a brief ride through Sherman Oaks sometime in 1949 or the early 1950s (there is some debate about exactly when this footage was taken). We are going to jump around a bit in the neighborhood, but basically, we are in the vicinity of Greenleaf Street east of the highway.

We'll start our ride on Greenleaf Street heading west just past Cedros Street. Up ahead on the right side of the road, not quite in sight yet, as the road swerves left, is the Sherman Oaks Elementary School.

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Greenleaf Street, heading west, 1949.

The school is still there, but now it is called the Sherman Oaks  Charter School.

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Greenleaf Street, heading west, August 2022 (Google Street View).

We continue down Greenleaf Street, a nice suburban street then and now.

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Greenleaf Street, heading west, 1949.

There is the school fence on our right, behind that driveway. Note the lampost over on the left.

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Greenleaf Street, heading west, August 2022 (Google Street View).

And above is the same spot today, with the fence over there on the right beyond the (greatly widened) driveway across from our friend the eternal lampost.

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Saugus Avenue and Greenleaf Street, Sherman Oaks, Los Angeles, ca. 1949.

Above is the corner of Saugus Avenue and Greenleaf Street in Sherman Oaks, looking west toward the San Diego Freeway ("the 405" to you Californians), in 1949. Is that the same tree there on the corner? Sure looks like the tree has bent the same way, though admittedly it has straightened out some over the decades. 

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Valley Oaks Cleaners off Saugus and Sepulveda, the future site of the current Whole Foods.

The Valley Oaks Cleaners is over to the right, which begat the Westward Ho Market, which begat the current Whole Foods on Sepulveda.

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Saugus Avenue and Greenleaf Street in Sherman Oaks in August 2022 (Google Street View).

And above we have the exact location in August 2022. The San Diego Freeway is still there, but it looks a bit different these days. The Whole Foods site is off to the right, mostly out of sight here.

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Greenleaf Street at Kester Avenue, northeast corner, ca. 1949.

Back up on Greenleaf Street, above, we pass a house on the corner of Greenleaf Street at Kester Avenue. Below, is the exact location recently.

Greenleaf Street at Kester Avenue, August 2022 (Google Street View).

Below is the same corner in 1949, but we see the other side of Greenleaf Street in a more straight-ahead shot. Notice the fire hydrant, telephone pole, and other street features on the left.

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Greenleaf Street, looking west, 1949.


Below, is the same view in August 2022.

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Greenleaf Street looking west, August 2022 (Google Street View).

Below is Greenleaf Street and Noble Avenue looking west toward the freeway.

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Greenleaf Street at Noble Avenue, looking west.

Below is the corner of Greenleaf and Noble looking in the same direction. Note the similarities in the streetlights and telephone poles - hard to say if some of them are the same, perhaps the streetlamps are. Cars from different eras are parked in the exact same spot - the more things change, the more they stay the same. Also, in 1949 they were not "Stop" signs, they were "Slow" signs - and painted a different color - though they had the same shape and thus would be confusing for a modern driver taken back to that time.

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Greenleaf at Noble looking west, August 2022 (Google Street View).

Below is a 1949 image of Saugus Avenue looking south - for orientation, the San Diego Freeway is out of sight over to the right.

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Saugus Avenue looking south, 1949.

Below is the same street scene from August 2022. As in the other recent shots, the old lamposts - or, if not the same, identical facsimiles - are in the same places.

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Saugus Avenue looking South, August 2022 (Google Street View).

Our last comparison is a bit far from these previous ones. In the ca. 1949 image below, you will see West Victory Boulevard looking east as we travel down North Maple Street heading south. 

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This location may not be as obvious as some of the others. However, in the recent image below, we can pick out several details from the 1949 image. Specifically, you can see the prominent white chimney that remains unaltered after over 70 years. Three houses to its left, note the white garage that sticks out toward the street, the one with the car in front of it in the image above compared with the recent image of the garage in between the cars parked sideways below. Ladies and gentlemen, we have a match!

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West Victory Blvd at North Maple Street, Los Angeles, California, May 2017 (Google Street View).

This is intended to be educational to show how a neighborhood develops over time. By closely examining current structures, you can unearth enduring links to the past, sometimes where you least expect to find them.

You still may be wondering, "Is there a point to all this?" Well, no, really there isn't. There is no point if you do not see one.  It is just, as I said earlier, a nice drive through a suburban neighborhood at two different times in history. Nothing to it at all, aside from my constant refrain in these slices of history - that the more things change, the more they stay the same. Many of the things we take for granted were there long before we were here, and they will still be there long after we have moved along. We may not know exactly what will outlast us - but much of what we see will. Enjoy them while it's our time, as soon enough it will be someone else's turn to ignore the things that outlast us. 

The video from which I picked the 1949 images is below. Thanks for visiting.



2023

Tuesday, December 28, 2021

Then and Now: Suburban Burbank

Beautiful Suburban Burbank

Burbank, California, in the 1940s. randommusings.filminspector.com

While some things change from year to year, others seem more permanent and rooted in permanency. We're taking a look here at a neighborhood that illustrates that perfectly.

One of late-night entertainer Johnny Carson's catchphrases was "somewhere in beautiful downtown Burbank," said in gest to convey the humble location of the studio where he filmed "The Tonight Show." Well, Johnny said that a lot closer in time to the late-1940s film that is the subject of our quick trip back in time than he was to us.

The past always seems a bit odd because it isn't familiar. But it was very familiar to the people seen in this brief drive through 1940s suburbia. Time marches on, Tempus fugit, and I am quite sure that our current gas-burners and McMansions will seem equally quaint to viewers in the year 2100. Here we take some scenes from Burbank ca. 1949 and compare them to the same locations recently.

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A P-38 Lightning fighter left over from World War II takes off in the distance from the Hollywood Burbank Airport aka Bob Hope Airport (then Lockheed Air Terminal) as we drive down Maple Street. The P-38 fighter was retired from the US Air Force right around the time this film was made, in 1949.

Below is a beautifully restored version of some old footage that most likely was captured for background shots in motion pictures of the day.


Just for comparison, here is the original footage.

Original footage courtesy of Internet Archive.

The location of our drive is "the Valley" in Los Angeles.

The location of today's drive (Google Maps).

Today's drive is done once and then repeated. The drive is split up into two parts, and then these two parts are repeated. That may sound confusing, but it's really not when watching the film. We are doing the same drive, which is interrupted once, over again starting about halfway through the film.

We cover mostly the same ground in each section of the drive, though the beginning and endpoints are slightly different.

The first part of our drive is from Pepper Street down Victory Street and thence to Maple Street. It isn't a very long journey, only about half a mile according to Google Maps.

The second part of the trip begins at our original endpoint at Maple and Pacific. We go down Maple down to Jeffries and stop between Ross and Valley Streets. This portion of the trip is only a bit longer than the first part. All told, in both parts of the drive, we cover barely over a mile. However, we get to see a nice slice of mid-century Americana along the way.

In a roundabout way, we are going from Pepper Street to Jeffries, with a detour up to West Pacific.

The second half of the film is the same trip again. It's not a very exciting film! But it is very interesting if you like seeing the past up close and personal.

Okay, let's compare some scenes.

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Our starting point at Victory Boulevard and Pepper Street in the late 1940s.

The area was still being built up in the 1940s, but you'll really have to hunt down empty lots now.

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Victory Boulevard and Pepper Street in February 2021 (Google Street View).

While, obviously, the scene is different in 2021, I look for similarities. It isn't difficult to see some. For instance, the street corner is still rounded. You can see the mountains in the background in the most recent photo if you look closely enough. It's the same intersection, just in different worlds. However, we can add a little bit here to prove it a little better.

I'm going to show that house in the 1940s and you'll see how stepping back a bit gives an even better resemblance. 

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Our starting point at Victory Boulevard and Pepper Street, late 1940s.

Once we see the house, it all comes together. That chimney hasn't changed anything except its exterior coating. The house may have had some work done on it, but it certainly looks like the same structure. Yup, it's the same corner all right.

Let's move on to another comparison.

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Victory Boulevard and Screenland Street, late 1940s.

Okay, here we have a nice house at Victory and Screenland. Notice how the garage is off on the side street, allowing a nice presentable front appearance which was considered very important back in the day. No sidewalk in the 1940s, but you know that's going to change.

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Victory Boulevard and Screenland Street, February 2018 (Google Street View).

Checking in recently, we see that the scene hasn't changed much. Same house, same driveway off on the side street (though it appears to have been expanded)... you think they ever painted that house anything other than white? I highly doubt it. I liked the original darker roof though, tbh, made a starker contrast.

On to another view.

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Maple Street at Pacific Avenue, late 1940s.

At the beginning of the second part of our journey, we notice a very distinctive structure on the left in the distance. It certainly dominates the landscape in that 1940s film. Hmmm, I wonder if that survived?

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Maple Street at Pacific Avenue, April 2019 (Google Street View).

You betcha! Now that there are so many trees and everything has been landscaped it no longer dominates the landscape quite as much, but that's just context. There it is in the distance at the left-center. In the 1940s, it was simply the entrance to Pierce Brothers Valhalla Memorial Park Cemetery. However, in 1953, only a few years after the film was shot, it was rededicated as The Portal of the Folded Wings Shrine to Aviation. And that is how it is known now and you can visit it if you like.

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Maple Street at Jeffries, late 1940s.

We turn right from Maple at Jeffries Street. In the late 1940s, that was a pretty desolate area, awaiting some houses and love. I bet it doesn't look like that now!

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Maple Street at Jeffries, April 2019.

That corner actually doesn't look all that different now. That empty area on the far corner has become the Maple Street Playground, and beyond it is the Luther Burbank Middle School. It was nice to have all that open land to build the school on!

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Maple Street at Victory Boulevard, late 1940s.

Driving south on Maple, we have just crossed Victory Boulevard and notice that large church on the left. That entrance to the cemetery sure looms in the distance, doesn't it? Let's see if the church is still there.

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Maple Street at Victory Boulevard, April 2014 (Google Street View).

Well, the church is still there, over there on the far left corner. It is the Victory Celebration Center (they were celebrating a big victory in the 1940s, too). However, at some point, it looks like they downsized from that big white barn-like building to something more tasteful. They certainly widened the boulevard, too. Can't really see the Shrine to Aviation in the distance anymore, too many trees - but it's definitely still there, as we have seen. Just a different look for a different time.

I hope you enjoyed this short drive into the past. As I always say, the more things change, the more they stay the same. Check out some of our other glimpses into the then and now! Thanks for visiting.

2021

Wednesday, December 1, 2021

Then and Now: John's Pizza on Bleecker Street

Warm Memories

John's Pizza 1976.
John's Pizza, 1976.

One of my common themes for these articles is zeroing in on local joints that mean a lot to the local community. While today's subject is a bit more well known than that, it has been a pillar of downtown Manhattan for almost a century and has meant a lot to many people.

I stumbled across the above photo of John's Pizza taken in 1976 and it intrigued me. For those who aren't familiar with John's Pizza located at 278 Bleecker Street between 6th and 7th, New York City, it is a Greenwich Village institution.

Founded by Naples, Italy, immigrant John Sasso in 1929 (as the canopy loudly proclaims, though it may be even older), John's was an offshoot of Lombardi's Pizza. This is the granddaddy of all pizza joints, a traditional restaurant opened in 1905 on Spring Street down in Little Italy. Lombardi's brought coal-fired ovens to the U.S. world of pizza. They run hot, and anyone who is an aficionado of pizza will tell you that the secret to a good pie is a hot oven. Sasso apparently learned his trade at Lombardi's. That restaurant also began the tradition of classy pizza places not selling by the slice.

John's first location was on Sullivan Street, but in 1934 Sasso moved over to Bleecker Street across from Jones Street.  The Vesce brothers purchased it in 1954, and in 1993, Bob Vittoria, one of their nephews or similarly related, became the majority partner.

Let's take a look at John's Pizza on Bleecker Street in NYC then and now.

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The general locale of John's on Bleecker Street, January 1956. Photo by Albert Abbott.

Whether or not the restaurant actually opened in 1929 is a bit hazy. It may have opened to sell "pies" by Filippo Milone at 175 Sullivan Street in 1915, with Sasso taking over due to a marriage ca. 1925. But that's for historians to debate and is irrelevant to the mythology. Until they change the date on the canopy, I'm going with 1929. No matter, we can all agree that John's has been there for a long, long time.

Owners of John's Pizza in the 1920s - 1930s.
John Sasso, Augustine Vesce, Joe Vesce, and Lucille Vesce. This is undated, but probably in the 1950s.

John's is well known for its 800-degree brick oven, its cash-only policy, and the fact that it doesn't take reservations. Unless there's a line outside, you can generally just walk in and grab a spot at one of the tables. If you haven't been there, form a picture of that high school or college joint with unpretentious tables and booths you may have frequented where they served big beers and you could throw darts or do something similar. That's the atmosphere. You know, an unpretentious but fun joint. That's John's Pizza.

However, it's not some corner dollar-a-slice pizza joint. They don't even sell slices. Pizza, calzone, and a few pasta dishes and sides, washed down with wine or beer. You sit down, order beer or the beverage of your choice, and partake of a pie with your friends. That's the deal, and it's a good deal for a Manhattan restaurant because prices are quite reasonable given the location.

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276 Bleecker, which is now part of Johns’s of Bleecker, February 2, 1937. The neighborhood at one time was full of Italian delis and the like, but now only John's remains. Photo by Bernice Abbott

"John's Pizza" has become a signature name. It was never as ubiquitous as "Ray's," which as any longtime New Yorker will tell you became practically the obligatory name for corner pizza joints. However, there have been "John's Pizzas" up and down Manhattan at one point or another. But this is the original one (and no, not the "original" as in the phony "Original Ray's Pizzas," but the real deal).

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John's in May 2009 (Google Street View).

John's also differs from many other pizza joints in not staying open late into the night. Closing time traditionally has been 10:00 p.m. Monday - Thursday and 11:00 otherwise, be there by then or come back some other day. If you waltz in right at closing time, you'll have to take your pie to go. It's a classy joint, appearances can be deceiving.

John's in 2019.
John's in June 2019. While the restaurant hasn't changed much in the ten years since the previous photo, the vans outside have gotten sleeker. (Google Street View).

John's has some practical advantages from being around so long. It is grandfathered in to use coal-fired ovens, which otherwise are not permitted. That's a nice barrier to entry for any business, not that John's needs any help. It also has become a selling point for the restaurant online. The pies have a  distinctive look as a result. The crust can be toasted black and crisp, and they slop on a lot of olive oil. Yes, it's quite tasty. New York City's clean and clear tap water from upstate no doubt helps the quality.

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Among other authentic touches, the walls have photos of celebrities who have stopped by over the years. The worn wooden booths have etchings from patrons of long ago. The place has real atmosphere.

I had some great meals at those tables in my otherwise misspent youth. Great place to take a date who is down-to-earth. Or old schoolmates. Or visiting out-of-town relatives. Everyone should be able to afford the meal without taking out a second mortgage and be nice and full when they walk out. I can't say that about other well-known NYC restaurants.

John's in 2019.
June 2019 (Google Street View).

John's had to shut down its indoor dining in 2020 due to the pandemic. However, it reopened for indoor dining at 25% capacity on 12 February 2021. It also has or had outdoor dining. You can't deprive New Yorkers of their classic pizza!


2021

Tuesday, November 9, 2021

Then and Now: Valentine Avenue at Fordham Road

History in a Bronx Intersection

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RKO Fordham Theatre at Fordham Road and Valentine Avenue, 1940.

Let's take a stroll down memory lane in the Bronx.

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Fordham Road at Valentine Avenue, looking east, 1951 (The Bronx County Historical Society Research Library).

It's easy for me to get caught up in Manhattan, because there's so much to see there. However, I do venture out into the "outer boroughs" now and then, and this is one of those times. Let's do a then-and-now of Fordham Road at Valentine Avenue in the Bronx, NYC

The first thing I want to point out to people unfamiliar with New York City customs is that the avenues are sometimes streets and the roads are sometimes avenues. I know this makes no sense, but the main drag here is Fordham Road and the sidestreet is Valentine Avenue. This isn't Paris and the Avenue des Champs-Élysées, but it is a major hub near the Grand Concourse. As Jack would say, that ain't beanbag!

Another thing is that the area had a real small-town feel back in the day. You can spot Whelan's Drug Store, Gorman's fast food joint, Bond's clothier, and the like. If you took that 1951 street scene and transposed it to the midwest of the era, it would not look out of place at all. Believe it or not, there are still scattered sections of the Bronx that have a somewhat similar quaint feel, but it is long gone from Fordham Road at Valentine Avenue.

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Fordham Road at Valentine Avenue, looking east, 1960s.

Above, we're looking northeast. In the 1951 shot, you can just see the edge of that billboard on the extreme left.

There are quite a few shots available of Fordham Road at Valentine Avenue. It has quite a history, with its shares of ups and downs, and we'll see some of them play out in these scenes. The top photo on this page from 1951 was taken on Fordham Road looking east toward Fordham University. You can see Keating Hall of the university in the 1951 photo and more recent ones because it was built in 1936 and is something of a landmark in the Bronx.

Fordham Road at Valentine Avenue, looking east, October 2019. You can see Keating Hall at Fordham University, which was built in 1936, in the center of this recent photograph just as in the 1951 one.

Above, the same view looking east as in the 1951 photo. The billboards are all gone, Woolworth's is gone (bankrupt in the 1990s), and now it all has that dreary suburban strip-mall feel.

I'm going to show all parts of this intersection. While it may get a bit confusing which way we're looking, fortunately, there are certain landmarks such as Keating Hall to help us out. 

We've been looking east. Let's turn around and look the other way, toward the west.

East Fordham Road at Valentine Avenue, looking northwest, 1926.
Fordham Road at Valentine Avenue, looking northwest, 1926.

Turning around from virtually the same spot as the original 1951 photo was taken and looking toward the northwest, we see on the right (north) side of the street what later became the grand RKO Fordham Theater in 1926. 
RKO Fordham Road at Valentine Avenue ca. 1929 randommusings.filminspector.com
The RKO Fordham ca. 1929.

Designed by William H. McElfatrick and opened on 14 April 1921 as Keith's Fordham Theater, it featured vaudeville acts. With vaudeville on the ropes and the talkies luring moviegoers into the theaters, RKO bought it in 1929 and renamed it RKO Fordham. It became one of seven RKO theaters in the Bronx.

Fordham Road at Valentine Avenue, looking northwest, 1940s randommusings.filminspector.com
Fordham Road at Valentine Avenue, looking northwest, 1940s.

Looking a little further west, we see how the area looked in the 1940s, with streetcars.

East Fordham Road at Valentine Avenue, looking northwest, 1950s randommusings.filminspector.com
Fordham Road at Valentine Avenue, looking northwest, 1951.

The RKO Fordham didn't show exclusive films - that was the job of the Paradise - but certainly was successful.

East Fordham Road at Valentine Avenue, looking northwest, 1960s randommusings.filminspector.com
Fordham Road at Valentine Avenue, looking west, 1950s.

A random street scene from the area. I love the barbershop pole out on the street. I can remember when they had wooden Indians out there. Those days are long gone, of course.

Fordham Road at Valentine Avenue, looking east, mid-1960s randommusings.filminspector.com
RKO Fordham, ca. 1960.

Troy Donahue and Connie Stevens on the stage together at the RKO Fordham! Bestill my heart! I don't think they ever starred in a film together, so I'm not sure why they were there. However, I think we can call this the halcyon days of the areas.

Fordham Road at Valentine Avenue, looking northwest, 1960s randommusings.filminspector.com
Fordham Road at Valentine Avenue, looking northwest, 1960s.

We're turned around again in the above photograph. I don't have a date on it, but the styles of the cars and what people are wearing make me think it is around 1967-69.

Fordham Road at Valentine Avenue, looking east, mid-1950s randommusings.filminspector.com
Fordham Road at Valentine Avenue, looking southeast, mid-1950s.

A quick look at the southeast corner (I think) of Fordham Road and Valentine Avenue. Looks like the 1950s to me. Imagine being a time traveler set down in some random year in this area, it would be awfully difficult to guess the exact year!

Fordham Road at Valentine St 1974 randommusings.filminspector.com
Fordham Road at Valentine Avenue, looking northwest, 1974.

In 1974, the RKO Theater was still there, looking a bit worn and tired. It was, after all, over 50 years old by this point and we all show our age over the decades. There are some interesting similarities to how this area looked in 1974 and how it looks recently, however.

Fordham Road at Valentine Ave October 2019 randommusings.filminspector.com
Fordham Road at Valentine Avenue, looking northwest, October 2019.

First, I was able to precisely locate the recent shot directly above to the 1974 scene because a few things haven't changed. Namely, that building in the distance with the billboard is still there (though the billboard has shifted position). The red firebox in the 1974 shot just visible on the left is still there, kind of, though in a vastly different form (no doubt slimmed down to improve intersection visibility). The stoplight looks the same, though it looks as though they shortened the pole and removed the street signs to the opposite corner for some reason.

But, overall, a person transported from 1974 to 2019 should be able to recognize that they're in the same place at Fordham Road and Valentine Avenue even though the distinctive RKO Fordham is gone.

And that brings us, as Paul Harvey would say, to the rest of the story.

The Fordham Theatre lasted through the 1970s and was triplexed in 1976. It added a fourth screen in 1980 as cinemas became multiplexes in a bid to survive against television. However, as the recent photos illustrate all too vividly, the area was in decline.

The neighborhood’s business district lost its small-town feel, the nondescriptive chains moved in, and that was that. The Fordham Theatre closed and was demolished in March, 1987. It was replaced by strip-mall style retail buildings populated by the usual banks and pharmacies and random outlets. 

Sic transit gloria, as they say, at least the old neighborhood had some style and character even if it wasn't perfect.

I hope you enjoyed this random walk down Fordham Road at Valentine Avenue. The more things change, the more they stay the same, and this intersection does illustrate that in its own way. People shop differently now and are entertained differently, and you can see those changes through the camera lenses.

Thanks for stopping by, and please visit some of my other pages in the Then and Now series!

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